The anti-depressant drugs are extremely dangerous, there seems to be a trend that people who stop taking them are extremely dangerous to society. This is the third mass killing in two weeks by someone in that condition! What do you think we should do about these drugs, and those people who stop taking them?
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A doctor/patient relationship is confidential so it’s nothing as if a doctor would go to the police because he suspected his patient was off his medication unless there was a very specific threat. Most of the people who suddenly quit taking their medication do so against medical advice. Therefore there is really nothing anyone can do about it.
Ummm… isn’t it the opposite of what you are saying? He was on antidepressants and by all accounts was a model student. He then stopped them and then when on a shooting rampage. If anything the antidepressants were necessary for him to function in society.
apparently,the meds were helping him and doing their job,if someone NEEDS medication and refuses to take it,they become a danger to themselves or others – how is that the fault of the meds? doctors have no idea if we take the meds they prescribe,short of putting everyone with problems into asylums so they can be monitored,there is nothing we can do.but you can’t blame the medication for something that happens because a person will not take it.
Some people have neurological connections that are not quite right, and the anti-depressant helps stabilize them. Then people get to thinking, “Hey, I’m cool. I don’t need this.” But the fact remains that they did need it, and had they stayed on their medications they would have been stable.
I think these people should in some kind of care where they are dosed daily forcibly if need-be.
This latest case says he had been off them for 2 weeks, the people who knew, should have taken steps to warn those who look over him to either commit him or what ever else they could do.
Violence that is _directly_ the result of a mental disorder is an exceedingly rare event. Typically, panic-mongering people will cite statistic showing that mental disorders are common in people who commit violent crimes. What they neglect to say is that mental disorders are common in general–somewhere between 20-35% of people have a mental disorder. If this seems high, consider that anxiety disorders (including situational anxiety) are comprise the majority of people with mental disorders, and these are typically treated with antidepressant medications. Are you _really_ suggesting limiting the civil rights of a third of people in this country because they worry too much? And consider the oft-quoted statistic that people with mental disorders are 3 times likelier to commit violence than others–while it sounds high, men are 4-5 times more likely to commit violence than women. By this argument, we should be limiting the rights of men before limiting the rights of those with mental disorders.
Likewise, consider the number of homicides in this country. The vast majority are related to the triumvirate of crime, gangs and drugs. Again, shouldn’t the focus be on managing these issues before we spend lots of money and violate a lot of people’s civil rights?
Consider this question, too. If “something” had been done about this person who allegedly was on medication, and _presumably_ (but not definitely) had a mental disorder, would this have _prevented_ anything? Medications do not do “mind control” or “thought control” and if he was really intent on killing someone, it is hard to imagine that treatment or medications of any kind would have stopped him.
What we really need to be doing is stopping people who are likely to kill from killing. This actually has very little to do with mental disorders or medication. The people who are likely to kill are criminals, gang members and people whose parents committed violent crimes. Let’s get a handle on these things first before we start having knee-jerk reactions.
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A doctor/patient relationship is confidential so it’s nothing as if a doctor would go to the police because he suspected his patient was off his medication unless there was a very specific threat. Most of the people who suddenly quit taking their medication do so against medical advice. Therefore there is really nothing anyone can do about it.
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Ummm… isn’t it the opposite of what you are saying? He was on antidepressants and by all accounts was a model student. He then stopped them and then when on a shooting rampage. If anything the antidepressants were necessary for him to function in society.
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apparently,the meds were helping him and doing their job,if someone NEEDS medication and refuses to take it,they become a danger to themselves or others – how is that the fault of the meds? doctors have no idea if we take the meds they prescribe,short of putting everyone with problems into asylums so they can be monitored,there is nothing we can do.but you can’t blame the medication for something that happens because a person will not take it.
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Some people have neurological connections that are not quite right, and the anti-depressant helps stabilize them. Then people get to thinking, “Hey, I’m cool. I don’t need this.” But the fact remains that they did need it, and had they stayed on their medications they would have been stable.
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I think these people should in some kind of care where they are dosed daily forcibly if need-be.
This latest case says he had been off them for 2 weeks, the people who knew, should have taken steps to warn those who look over him to either commit him or what ever else they could do.
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Let me put things into perspective please.
Violence that is _directly_ the result of a mental disorder is an exceedingly rare event. Typically, panic-mongering people will cite statistic showing that mental disorders are common in people who commit violent crimes. What they neglect to say is that mental disorders are common in general–somewhere between 20-35% of people have a mental disorder. If this seems high, consider that anxiety disorders (including situational anxiety) are comprise the majority of people with mental disorders, and these are typically treated with antidepressant medications. Are you _really_ suggesting limiting the civil rights of a third of people in this country because they worry too much? And consider the oft-quoted statistic that people with mental disorders are 3 times likelier to commit violence than others–while it sounds high, men are 4-5 times more likely to commit violence than women. By this argument, we should be limiting the rights of men before limiting the rights of those with mental disorders.
Likewise, consider the number of homicides in this country. The vast majority are related to the triumvirate of crime, gangs and drugs. Again, shouldn’t the focus be on managing these issues before we spend lots of money and violate a lot of people’s civil rights?
Consider this question, too. If “something” had been done about this person who allegedly was on medication, and _presumably_ (but not definitely) had a mental disorder, would this have _prevented_ anything? Medications do not do “mind control” or “thought control” and if he was really intent on killing someone, it is hard to imagine that treatment or medications of any kind would have stopped him.
What we really need to be doing is stopping people who are likely to kill from killing. This actually has very little to do with mental disorders or medication. The people who are likely to kill are criminals, gang members and people whose parents committed violent crimes. Let’s get a handle on these things first before we start having knee-jerk reactions.